The line is "Lord wash away my iniquity and cleanse me from my sins." NOT "Lord wash away OUR iniquities and cleanse us from OUR sins."
It's all about YOU on this one, buddy. Don't bring me into it. It's *strictly* a presidential prayer.
If this line doesn't apply to you: NEVERMIND. If it does: MIND
Is it too much to ask that the Mass be said AS WRITTEN?
And while I'm on pet peeves: Would you people in the congregation stop insisting and trying to make everyone hold hands at the Our Father? ESPECIALLY during cold and flu season? And that "let's raise our joined hands higher" business during the "for thine is the kingdom" stuff looks outright STUPID.
There. I said it. DEATH to charismatics! [I don't even like that protestant "For thine is the kingdom" stuff thrown in. I'd dearly like a word with the probably-long-dead-thank-God person(s) who grafted that on.
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NON mi piace.
And as long as I'm on a roll: to a certain other well-meaning, very nice priest in the San Diego diocese: the word "PLEASE" is NOWHERE in ANY of your prayers. Really. Please stop adding it everytime you implore the Lord at Mass to do anything.
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Amen! Besides, you shouldn't even know what the priest is saying anyway. That prayer is to be said sub voce. (And if you think the Our Father hi jinx looks silly from your point of view, try seeing it from the altar.
:-D Fr. Erik. I'm the server. I *hear* that crap!!!
And I do see the hand hold it from the sanctuary too. One of the reasons I like serving Mass is so I DON'T have to "offend" some well meaning glad hander. A few times when I was in a congregation visiting somewhere or other, people have grabbed my hand. (Before I learned to jam them in my pockets!) and I almost broke their arm resuing to raise my arm.
And while I'm ranting. Please. If you have purple lipstick, you really have fully recieved if you only recieve under one Species. It's not fun for whomever has to clean the purificators.
Karen, have you been swatting planes out of the air down there?
BTW, the "For Thine is..." comes from a gloss in some early versions of the Gospels, not the Protties. They have enough garbage they'll be answering for, so there's no reason to pile it on! LOL
One day Mass will be said all over the place as it is WRITTEN and there wont be any funny business around the sanctuary. One day...
AA: NO!
I've just "had it" with "these people" of late!
Mum: some day!
AA: I did know that about the gloss, BTW. I consider the guy "the first Protestant." ;-D
No taking away...OR ADDING to the bible! :-D Prime example of why people shouldn't scribble in the margins. When I was a kid, the best bet was betting some protestant kid he couldn't find "for thine is the kingdom..." in the bible. "Where is that in the bible? Huh, huh?"
In our parish about half hold hands and half don't--so no one trys to grab your hands--but try as I may to ignore the raising of the hands at the end of the our Father--it still bugs me every time--I always think, "that looks so stupid!" Sometimes, I just close my eyes--so I don't have to watch.
Tara I try and avert my eyes too at that hand raising thing I think that's the coup de grace of the whole deal.
But sometimes you can't help yourself watching. It's like watching a zebra vomit. The mind says "look away, look away" but the eyes can't break away. So far I've kept from laughing, but only just.
I'll give Fr. Erik a whole dollar if just once he says "Will you people cut that **** out!?" :-D
I'm so sick of people reaching for my hands that I sit with my kids on either side and in a pew that no one else wants. I've taught my kids to keep their hands folded in front of them and to look down and SAY the prayer even if everyone else is singing it. I don't like singing it 'cos the dumdums say "hollow-ed be Thy name" and it drives me bonkers!
Did you read this entry?...http://frhulk.blogspot.com/2008/10/touchdown.html
I fully agree, the holding hands during the Our Father is lame, and must go, exactly why I'll keep my hands folded, don't attempt to grab my hand at any point during Mass...
Even though the last part comes from the Byzantine Mass...it's exactly that Eastern and not Roman...therefore it needs to go. Not that Byzantine is bad it's not, but it's not in our tradition, just like I wouldn't expect a Byzantine Mass to be linear.
Fortunately at my parish not to many hold hands, and the priests say the prayers that are supposed to be said by the priest sotto voce.
My parish is a bunch of hand holders. Solution? We just started going to one of our other parish churches for 6pm Sat. Mass. No choir (hence no Haugen/Hass), no hand holding, and lots of blessed silence.
Ever since our pastor allowed a retired priest, heavily into the Charasmatic thing, to start doing a Mass once per month, it has gotten much worse. The only way we could get any more horizontal would be to lay down on the floor.
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