tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post6581144536366139384..comments2024-03-10T10:36:09.923+00:00Comments on Gem of The Ocean: EF or NO or Byzantine Rite or Punt?gemoftheoceanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-33657412462765327422009-07-30T23:28:13.171+01:002009-07-30T23:28:13.171+01:00Hi Entropy, it's not the veil that's degra...Hi Entropy, it's not the veil that's degrading per se, it's Paul's remarks that I find offensive, ergo I'm not going to play ball with him on that score. Yes. He would have hated me as a parishioner, because I'd have told him what he could do with the pony he rode up on! But if you wear one and it makes you feel closer to grandma or whatever your reason is fine. I just had my fill of that in my youth and when I learned the "why" of the custom, I stopped doing it. Feh.<br /><br />Actually, I don't like the "hello" stuff either but if a priest happens to do just that and doesn't throw in too much crap, it's not a hill I'm prepared to die on if everything else is jake otherwise.<br /><br /><br />Thanks also Rubricarius and Patricus. Glad you guys enjoyed the post.<br /><br />K.gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-51482855888515731492009-07-30T20:07:21.084+01:002009-07-30T20:07:21.084+01:00The priest isn't supposed to say "Good mo...The priest isn't supposed to say "Good morning, isn't this a beautiful day today?" (you might think I'm being sarcastic but I'm not)<br /><br />I think it's interesting that you won't wear a mantilla. Because you think it's degrading? I've always thought it was kind of nice and humble. <br /><br />Really interesting analysis. Thanks!entropynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-13819814576977373322009-07-29T23:47:51.433+01:002009-07-29T23:47:51.433+01:00Thank you for an excellent post.Thank you for an excellent post.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-85645516567896495232009-07-29T23:18:52.359+01:002009-07-29T23:18:52.359+01:00Gem,
May I congratulate you on what I believe is ...Gem,<br /><br />May I congratulate you on what I believe is quite a profound analysis.<br /><br />All I would add is that the Roman Rite is supposed to be sung, not read from a book (although I do appreciate your implicit point about people going to work.<br /><br />I would also suggest you compare the structure of the Byzantine Holy Week services with pre-Reformation (i.e. pre-Tridentine) praxis.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-40293827539712592612009-07-29T18:24:29.198+01:002009-07-29T18:24:29.198+01:00Fr. Erik, you know that's one I have been mean...Fr. Erik, you know that's one I have been meaning to try. There is one in El Cajon. I get the impression from a friend of mine, that it might be a little too "Our Lady of the Cadillacs" for me, but I think it might be a "go" just to experience it in lieu of the hootenany Mass that has been instigated every 3rd Sunday of the Month. <br /><br />DG, is the La Mesa one a fairly new church? I know there used to be, I think a Ukrainian Rite church up in the boonies of no man's land south of 8 in little illegal alien land, but I never knew the times. Or if it was in slavonic or English.gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-42390801668183751142009-07-29T17:48:36.982+01:002009-07-29T17:48:36.982+01:00Karen,
Have you been to a Maronite liturgy? While...Karen,<br /><br />Have you been to a Maronite liturgy? While Eastern it is Syriac not Byzantine. I think this might be what you are looking for.Fr. Erik Richtsteighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16585104084132192522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-42172357395566830222009-07-29T17:03:19.111+01:002009-07-29T17:03:19.111+01:00Perhaps, but maybe the one in La Mesa (St. John th...Perhaps, but maybe the one in La Mesa (St. John the Baptizer).<br /><br />Thanks for the tips!DGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15993123207698690899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-53001114355569993362009-07-29T05:07:23.080+01:002009-07-29T05:07:23.080+01:00Oh, and the tongue stays ENTIRELY in your mouth, j...Oh, and the tongue stays ENTIRELY in your mouth, just "out of the way!"gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-11676341244907477432009-07-29T05:05:18.884+01:002009-07-29T05:05:18.884+01:00Well, when you go in, you bow to the icon that'...Well, when you go in, you bow to the icon that's close to the front in the middle of the aisle, then you kiss it. Go early, and take a good look at the liturgy book in the pew. The order of Mass is roughly the same, but the prayers are not infrequently different, but the same thing is happening. You shouldn't have trouble following the flow of the Mass. But look beforehand and sit next to someone who knows it if you can, so you can flip to the right page, because there can be skips. I'd say, sit towards the center aisle, and a little to the back, so you can get a great view of the various processions. And when you go to Communion, softly say your name to the priest as you go up to recieve. :-D [you'll find out why later] then tilt your head WAY back so that your eyes are almost looking at the ceiling. Look at the people in front of you to get the idea. open your mouth quite wide, and make sure your tongue is held very low against the bottom, as if you are reaching the tongue to line the bottom of your chin. You might even ask a friend before hand if you've got the position right. The priest will spoon up a Host and Communion wine. Stay VERY still. He will not touch your cheeks, lips, mouth, tongue if you do just what I said (unless he is a klutz!) only move when you can see the spoon lifted out again.<br /><br />Are you going up to Holy Angles by any chance in San Diego?gemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3499957141699011933.post-62717295183228115052009-07-29T04:47:58.133+01:002009-07-29T04:47:58.133+01:00Nice round-up, GOTO. Any tips for me who's lik...Nice round-up, GOTO. Any tips for me who's likely to attend Ukrainian Catholic divine liturgy (is that similar to the standard Byzantine?) for the first time in the coming weeks?DGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15993123207698690899noreply@blogger.com